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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870-and-hd-4850/480.html/comment-page-2#comment-6464</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I&#039;m looking for the equivalent of &quot;HD4850 Crossfire for Dummies&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I&#8217;m looking for the equivalent of &#8220;HD4850 Crossfire for Dummies&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870-and-hd-4850/480.html/comment-page-2#comment-6461</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have 2 HD4850 cards in Crossfire but don&#039;t really know how to adjust the settings to best suit what works.
Where can I find instructions on how to familiarize myself with the features and optimize the settings, and when would I use OverClocking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have 2 HD4850 cards in Crossfire but don&#8217;t really know how to adjust the settings to best suit what works.<br />
Where can I find instructions on how to familiarize myself with the features and optimize the settings, and when would I use OverClocking?</p>
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		<title>By: videoconferencing equipments</title>
		<link>http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870-and-hd-4850/480.html/comment-page-2#comment-6066</link>
		<dc:creator>videoconferencing equipments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: AMD RV775 Ready to Give Nvidia a Punch - Expreview.com</title>
		<link>http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870-and-hd-4850/480.html/comment-page-2#comment-6028</link>
		<dc:creator>AMD RV775 Ready to Give Nvidia a Punch - Expreview.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Perhaps you&#8217;d be interested in reading the first review: HD 4870 and HD 4850  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Perhaps you&#8217;d be interested in reading the first review: HD 4870 and HD 4850  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GeForce 9800 GX2, HD 3870X2, GeForce 9600GT, GeForce 9800GTX, GeForce 9800GTS &#187; Blog Archive &#187; AMD Radeon HD 4870, AMD Radeon HD 4850 Review Roundup</title>
		<link>http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870-and-hd-4850/480.html/comment-page-2#comment-5234</link>
		<dc:creator>GeForce 9800 GX2, HD 3870X2, GeForce 9600GT, GeForce 9800GTX, GeForce 9800GTS &#187; Blog Archive &#187; AMD Radeon HD 4870, AMD Radeon HD 4850 Review Roundup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 6. Hardware Canucks 7. HotHardware 8. Rage3D 9. Computerbase (Deutsch) 10. Arstechnica 11. Expreview 12. Hardocp 13. TweakTown 14. Bjorn3D 15. PCPerspective 16. LegitReviews 17. FiringSquad 18. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: yot</title>
		<link>http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870-and-hd-4850/480.html/comment-page-2#comment-4654</link>
		<dc:creator>yot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This review is so old</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This review is so old</p>
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		<title>By: Shinobi</title>
		<link>http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870-and-hd-4850/480.html/comment-page-2#comment-4636</link>
		<dc:creator>Shinobi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You complain about the AMD card reaching 100c like no Nvidia has ever done that before.

8800GTS 640 &gt; ~130c benched in my very own rig.. (using furmark)

Fourth card to go back for RMA at the eleventh month, Nvidia just can&#039;t make cards that won&#039;t burn up.. 66gt, 78gt, 79gt, 88gts.. They all stopped working after about a year.

Some with after market coolers that dropped temps in half, still die like flies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You complain about the AMD card reaching 100c like no Nvidia has ever done that before.</p>
<p>8800GTS 640 &gt; ~130c benched in my very own rig.. (using furmark)</p>
<p>Fourth card to go back for RMA at the eleventh month, Nvidia just can&#8217;t make cards that won&#8217;t burn up.. 66gt, 78gt, 79gt, 88gts.. They all stopped working after about a year.</p>
<p>Some with after market coolers that dropped temps in half, still die like flies.</p>
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		<title>By: Aramint</title>
		<link>http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870-and-hd-4850/480.html/comment-page-2#comment-4210</link>
		<dc:creator>Aramint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct on that one Jeff, PCIe 1.1 and 2.0 was found to have no differences.  Tom&#039;s Hardware did a comprehensive test in this regards a while back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct on that one Jeff, PCIe 1.1 and 2.0 was found to have no differences.  Tom&#8217;s Hardware did a comprehensive test in this regards a while back.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870-and-hd-4850/480.html/comment-page-2#comment-4209</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PCIe 1.1 x16 = 4GB/s
PCIe 2.0 x16 = 8GB/s

bottleneck issue will depend on games/applications...personally i think it is ok for current games</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PCIe 1.1 x16 = 4GB/s<br />
PCIe 2.0 x16 = 8GB/s</p>
<p>bottleneck issue will depend on games/applications&#8230;personally i think it is ok for current games</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870-and-hd-4850/480.html/comment-page-2#comment-4207</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, what I wanna know, is if E6550, OCed to 3.0Ghz will bottleneck HD4870, and, if is there going to be any differences between the PCI-E 1.1 and 2.0 motherboards? If there&#039;ll be, how big will it be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, what I wanna know, is if E6550, OCed to 3.0Ghz will bottleneck HD4870, and, if is there going to be any differences between the PCI-E 1.1 and 2.0 motherboards? If there&#8217;ll be, how big will it be?</p>
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		<title>By: GTX 260 and HD 4870 drop to the same price, Which one to buy? - Expreview.com</title>
		<link>http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870-and-hd-4850/480.html/comment-page-2#comment-4162</link>
		<dc:creator>GTX 260 and HD 4870 drop to the same price, Which one to buy? - Expreview.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 4870. As of July 4th, GTX 260 has dropped to the same price as HD 4870. In fact, we found GTX 260 almost the same as HD 4870 in performance, but GTX 260 has advantages in NVIDIA&#8217;s drivers and industry [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 4870. As of July 4th, GTX 260 has dropped to the same price as HD 4870. In fact, we found GTX 260 almost the same as HD 4870 in performance, but GTX 260 has advantages in NVIDIA&#8217;s drivers and industry [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870-and-hd-4850/480.html/comment-page-2#comment-4086</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All, 
can I just say that TDP is NOT the same as power consumption! TDP (Thermal Design Power) is a value that states how much waste heat energy needs to be transported away from the GPU (or CPU). The Power consumption is the sum of (energy used for calculation + energy wasted as heat), or the energy used for calculation divided by the efficiency. Thus, the TDP will be LOWER than the power consumption, even more so in an EFFICIENT or a USELESS (ie NOT doing a lot of calculations) GPU/CPU.
Just wanted to get that clarified.
Otherwise, good review, still scared of these temps, but will make a nice BBQ!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All,<br />
can I just say that TDP is NOT the same as power consumption! TDP (Thermal Design Power) is a value that states how much waste heat energy needs to be transported away from the GPU (or CPU). The Power consumption is the sum of (energy used for calculation + energy wasted as heat), or the energy used for calculation divided by the efficiency. Thus, the TDP will be LOWER than the power consumption, even more so in an EFFICIENT or a USELESS (ie NOT doing a lot of calculations) GPU/CPU.<br />
Just wanted to get that clarified.<br />
Otherwise, good review, still scared of these temps, but will make a nice BBQ!</p>
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		<title>By: I don't have a name</title>
		<link>http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870-and-hd-4850/480.html/comment-page-2#comment-4072</link>
		<dc:creator>I don't have a name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hasan says

&quot;Shit , Ati is loosing all GPU battles since 2002.&quot;

Do you even have a clue what you are babbling about? The current ATI line up looks to me to be beating the COMPETING cards in their particular range. E.G. 4870&gt;GTX260
4850&gt;9800GTX. Do you follow this now? Or are you going to continue to be blindly ignorant always sucking nVidia&#039;s dirty balls?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hasan says</p>
<p>&#8220;Shit , Ati is loosing all GPU battles since 2002.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you even have a clue what you are babbling about? The current ATI line up looks to me to be beating the COMPETING cards in their particular range. E.G. 4870&gt;GTX260<br />
4850&gt;9800GTX. Do you follow this now? Or are you going to continue to be blindly ignorant always sucking nVidia&#8217;s dirty balls?</p>
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		<title>By: Is it just me, or is the 4870 a waste of money? - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net</title>
		<link>http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870-and-hd-4850/480.html/comment-page-2#comment-4062</link>
		<dc:creator>Is it just me, or is the 4870 a waste of money? - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/f...nd-hd-4850/22/ 25% difference at stock is good enough for the extra $100,though it would be nicer if 4870 was a bit lower but since its almost as fast as a gtx260 i don&#039;t think it would drop in prices anymore.     __________________ I believe in Karma what you give is what you get returned I believe you can&#039;t appreciate real love &#039;til you&#039;ve been burned I believe the grass is no more greener on the other side I believe you don&#039;t know what you&#039;ve got until you say goodbye [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/f...nd-hd-4850/22/" rel="nofollow">http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/f&#8230;nd-hd-4850/22/</a> 25% difference at stock is good enough for the extra $100,though it would be nicer if 4870 was a bit lower but since its almost as fast as a gtx260 i don&#8217;t think it would drop in prices anymore.     __________________ I believe in Karma what you give is what you get returned I believe you can&#8217;t appreciate real love &#8217;til you&#8217;ve been burned I believe the grass is no more greener on the other side I believe you don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;ve got until you say goodbye [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Consiglio tra: Nvidia 260 gtx o Ati 4850 - Pagina 4 - Forum di Tom's Hardware Italia</title>
		<link>http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870-and-hd-4850/480.html/comment-page-2#comment-4040</link>
		<dc:creator>Consiglio tra: Nvidia 260 gtx o Ati 4850 - Pagina 4 - Forum di Tom's Hardware Italia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] dire questa pagina ??? First Review: HD 4870 and HD 4850 - Expreview.com A questa mi riferivo infatti.    La situazione mi sembra comunque regolare, solamente un po&#039; a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] dire questa pagina ??? First Review: HD 4870 and HD 4850 &#8211; Expreview.com A questa mi riferivo infatti.    La situazione mi sembra comunque regolare, solamente un po&#8217; a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Consiglio tra: Nvidia 260 gtx o Ati 4850 - Pagina 3 - Forum di Tom's Hardware Italia</title>
		<link>http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870-and-hd-4850/480.html/comment-page-2#comment-4039</link>
		<dc:creator>Consiglio tra: Nvidia 260 gtx o Ati 4850 - Pagina 3 - Forum di Tom's Hardware Italia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tralasciando questo ATI </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Tralasciando questo ATI</p>
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		<title>By: m00t</title>
		<link>http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870-and-hd-4850/480.html/comment-page-2#comment-4018</link>
		<dc:creator>m00t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GTX 280 phail&#039;d @ price : performance...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GTX 280 phail&#8217;d @ price : performance&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: philip</title>
		<link>http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870-and-hd-4850/480.html/comment-page-2#comment-3989</link>
		<dc:creator>philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to mur8t: 
 
 “all-setting high” means all “high” setting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to mur8t: </p>
<p> “all-setting high” means all “high” setting</p>
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