First Review: HD 4870 and HD 4850
Power Consumption Test
In 2D idle mode, Radeon HD 4850 clock have been automatically lower to 500/750MHz(core/memory)
In 2D idle mode, HD 4870 clock lower to 500MHz, but GPU-z keeps 750MHz in the left.
In 2D/idle mode, HD 4850′s clock lower to 500/750MHz (Core/memory), when its normal usage the clock should be 625MHz. The HD 4870 have also lower to 500MHz but memory clock is odd, we think it is GPU-Z issue.
In our power consumption test all the cards we used is retail version with stock cooler. We use Seasonic Power Angel to record the power consumption of the whole testing setup.
The idle mode is stop in the OS for 15minutes, and stress mode is run FurMark to stress GPU and record its power consumption when it become stable.
So HD 4870/HD 4850 doesn’t looks good. Compare to 9800GTX (TDP 156W) without power management, The second Gen PowerPlay seems not good at all. Look at HD 4870, in our setup it runs as much as 221W (Whole platform), far more than 9800GTX and even GTX 280.That’s because even in idle, HD 4870/50 still in 500MHz, compare to HD 38×0′s low 300MHz.
According to AMD, Radeon HD 4850 and 4870 TPD is 110W and 160W. But in stress mode, 4850 closed to 9800GTX and 4870 closed to GTX 280. AMD ARE YOU FUDDING US AGAIN?
Page 1: Introduction
Page 2: Card Specification
Page 3: A closer look: HD 4850
Page 4: A closer look: HD 4870
Page 5: Power Consumption Test
Page 6: Temperature and OC test
Page 7: Testing setup
Page 8: 3DMark06
Page 9: 3DMark Vantage
Page 10: Quake War
Page 11: Half-life2 Episode2
Page 12: F.E.A.R Perseus Mandate
Page 13: Call of Duty 4
Page 14: Unreal Tournament 3
Page 15: BIOSHOCK
Page 16: Crysis
Page 17: World In Conflict
Page 18: Lost Planet Extreme Condition
Page 19: HD 4870 VS GTX 260
Page 20: HD 4870 VS GTX 280
Page 21: HD 4850 VS 9800GTX
Page 22: HD 4870 VS HD 4850
Page 23: HD 4870 VS HD 3870×2
Page 24: HD 4850 VS HD 3870
Page 25: Final words
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June 24th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
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June 24th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Shit , Ati is loosing all GPU battles since 2002.
June 24th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
As GTX 280 is nVidia top card, so its better to compare it with HD4870X2.
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June 24th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
if this review is true. The price per performance wins here. Not to mention that ati/amd will make the 4800 series compatible with 3870′s. So unlike all you nvidia shlong lickers, we can keep our cards and beat the crap out of nvidia for ALOT cheaper!!! All I can see, is a future igp like the 780g, coupled with a 3870 x2 and a 4870 all working as one. NVIDIA can’t beat it. AMD/ATI is on its way to an evolution while Nvidia is now trying to beat out the CPU. Please. I just hope AMD/ATI can keep its pockets full.
June 25th, 2008 at 12:00 am
Hassan, ati has won most GPU battles since 2002. R300>nv30, r400>nv40, g70=r520, r580>g71, g80>r600, g92>rv670, r700>G200.
June 25th, 2008 at 12:17 am
r700 is not > G200. You are comparing a 2GPU card that has not been released (and won’t be for months!) to a single GPU.
An accurate comparison will be to compare R700 to the coming GTX280gx2. Nvidia still has the performance crown.
June 25th, 2008 at 12:44 am
10% Performance crown at twice the price. (sarcasm)
June 25th, 2008 at 1:03 am
What the HELL?
97C idle 100+C load?
I am a die hard ATI fan, but there is NO WAY i am putting this heater (4870) inside my precious Pcs.
The 4850 with a zalman cooler, seems more and more to be a better choice.
June 25th, 2008 at 1:19 am
Great!!! 4870 is new best-buy card of 2008!
June 25th, 2008 at 1:50 am
@PSOLORD:
The high idle temperature is becouse powerplay (power saving feature) is not working with the current driver. will probably be fixed soon.
The high load temp is just becouse the fan is not spinning very fast (becouse the chip is designed to handle the heat and this way it can be cooled more quietely) not becouse it is using much power.
June 25th, 2008 at 1:54 am
That’s not the case anymore. People at ATI confirmed today that cards in a different series cannot be crossfired.
Sorry, I wish it was true too.
But, I agree that ATI is back baby. Screw the GTX 280 for more than twice the price. If nVidia doesn’t come down on their prices, ATI will make up a lot of what they lost! My business included!
June 25th, 2008 at 2:57 am
@ martijnve
I really really hope you are right my friend. I so much want a 4870 but i am not going to get one with these thermals and that power consumption. What bothers me greatly even if this is a driver problem, is that if the card reaches 100C+ as reported by expreview at load, the new driver isn’t going to help the load temps but only the idle temps. 100C is too much even for load.
@expreview
I would also like to ask Jeff and the rest of the expreview to doublecheck if the reported temps are Celsius or Fahrenheit. Please measure again the temperature with an external laser thermometer on the back metal.
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June 25th, 2008 at 9:21 am
If thats true about the cross fire with diffrent seris why dont oyu link it
because as far as i know they can be crossfired
June 25th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Ps guys get rivatuner and crank that fan up should bring temps down alot
June 25th, 2008 at 9:26 am
yami, go to expreview’s home page.
June 25th, 2008 at 9:32 am
umm ok ^.^ after market cooler would work too probly
June 25th, 2008 at 9:42 am
you can allways ramp up the speed of the stock cooler, if it goes to 50%, get it to 80 atleast, then you will se drop in temps, also new thermal paste can do wunders to temperatur, put some Artic Cooling MX-2 on it and it will go down atleast 10c, DO NOT put Artic Silver on it, it will kill it, why? Artic Silver got silver in it and GPU does not like that, gpus does not have heatspreders like CPUs do etc
June 25th, 2008 at 9:44 am
nice review, am wating for atleast 3 more to confirm before i buy anything from any CPU/GPU company
June 25th, 2008 at 9:46 am
can Expreview confirm that the 4870 and 4850 uses same mount holes as 3870 and 3850?
if it does then any aftermarket cooler will work that supports X1800/X1900 series
June 25th, 2008 at 9:57 am
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June 25th, 2008 at 10:00 am
just out of curiosity where did you get drivers for a 4870 card that will allow it to be tested in its full potential and how come a blog user gets to review the newest and most expected UNRELEASED graphic card before the big reviewer sites?
June 25th, 2008 at 10:06 am
TosheX, no clue, meybe they bought them from a store some where
the 4870 has been selling in hong kong for the past few days
have a nice 4800 series day TosheX
June 25th, 2008 at 10:36 am
@TosheX,
you should read more bit of it…
the first page mentions that all those cards are bought in Hongkong.
June 25th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Wow, the 4870 handles AA and AF pretty well. This is pretty good and thanks Expreview.
June 25th, 2008 at 11:27 am
Could the experts of expreview (or someone else) please recommend the ultimate cooler for the 4870 ? I don’t care if it’s massive and slightly expensive.. something that is relatively quiet and does an amazing job at getting the card waaay cool!
June 25th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Does “all-setting high” mean “very high” or just “high” settings? Bit confusing.
June 25th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
hasan, you’re wrong ….. ATi lose just against g80/g92 for 1,5 years, before that it was a leading company
June 25th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
@PSOLORD
it is Celsius.
@sebastien
accelero s1 is good, but i believe it is not”ultimate”
@Mur8t
just high, the very high numbers will be used at CF tests.
June 25th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
David, from where did you get that “People at ATI confirmed today that cards in a different series cannot be crossfired”. Tgdaily stated that 3800 and 4800 series can be crossfired.
Reference: http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38056/135/
Prove me otherwise..
June 25th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
@AboOodz,
just try yesterday, doesn’t work
June 25th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
@PSOLORD
>I so much want a 4870 but i am not going to get one with these thermals
>and that power consumption. What bothers me greatly even if this is a driver
>problem, is that if the card reaches 100C+ as reported by expreview at load,
>the new driver isn’t going to help the load temps but only the idle temps.
>100C is too much even for load.
1st, you always have alternative design coolers. Surely HIS will do smth like their great IceQ coolers. Also, Zalman coolers may come too. As to 4850s, 2-slot coolers would be fine for them.
2nd, you can bue your own cooler (Accelero?). It won’t be too much compared to GTX 260, I think.
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June 25th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
“An accurate comparison will be to compare R700 to the coming GTX280gx2. Nvidia still has the performance crown.”
… what crack is this guy smoking, anyway? GX2? nVidia is discontinuing their GX2 line completely. They’re not doing dual-GPU. They laugh at dual-GPU. If they say otherwise, then I’ll believe it. But right now, 280GX2… *laughs his ass off* … highly unlikely, and currently a retarded idea. 9800GX2 ‘SLI Sandwich Special’ was bad enough. Though admittedly it does perform well, it’s just so inelegant it disgusts me.
Also, for the crossfiring 4800s and 3800s… An ATi official actually said it could be done on the Game.AMD forums, but it would need Vista and it wouldn’t be any better than two of the 3800s in crossfire.
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June 26th, 2008 at 3:16 am
Wow! awesome! only 20W lower TDP one the 4850 than the 9800GX2 /sarcasm… yeah right… nice try Expreviw… And the thermals you picked up are all f-ed up (even if they were so… it says you uses the 8.6 hotfix… the hotfix brings temps by 10oC avrage lower, so what… the card blows over 110oC with the 8.5/8.6 on load?… yeah sure.
Early reviews are always messy and/or biased/wrong in some areas…
You’d have to be a idiot, or a fanboyi(pretty much the same thing), to base anything on one review and/or absolutely no ACTUAL (unbiased) user review/conclusion…
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June 26th, 2008 at 3:24 am
@martijnve
Oh yes they will. Since fan-management seems to suck so much, I assume some driver changes(to increase it’s speed/efficiency) can do ALOT.
Also… alot of 4850 owners have replaced/reaplied the thermal paste on the chip/memory/heatsink… and it seemded to lower the temps by quite alot…
Heh… seems like the AIBs have been too busy building as much 4800s as they can… to pass all of them trough quality check… that such a shame…
Well… I’ll be getting a HIS/Sapphire custom cooled LATER batch of cards anyway… a 4870 that is… or maybe the X2…
Cheers!
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June 26th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
to mur8t:
“all-setting high” means all “high” setting
June 28th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
GTX 280 phail’d @ price : performance…
June 30th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
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July 3rd, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Hasan says
“Shit , Ati is loosing all GPU battles since 2002.”
Do you even have a clue what you are babbling about? The current ATI line up looks to me to be beating the COMPETING cards in their particular range. E.G. 4870>GTX260
4850>9800GTX. Do you follow this now? Or are you going to continue to be blindly ignorant always sucking nVidia’s dirty balls?
July 4th, 2008 at 3:36 am
Hi All,
can I just say that TDP is NOT the same as power consumption! TDP (Thermal Design Power) is a value that states how much waste heat energy needs to be transported away from the GPU (or CPU). The Power consumption is the sum of (energy used for calculation + energy wasted as heat), or the energy used for calculation divided by the efficiency. Thus, the TDP will be LOWER than the power consumption, even more so in an EFFICIENT or a USELESS (ie NOT doing a lot of calculations) GPU/CPU.
Just wanted to get that clarified.
Otherwise, good review, still scared of these temps, but will make a nice BBQ!
July 8th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
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July 10th, 2008 at 8:45 am
Ok, what I wanna know, is if E6550, OCed to 3.0Ghz will bottleneck HD4870, and, if is there going to be any differences between the PCI-E 1.1 and 2.0 motherboards? If there’ll be, how big will it be?
July 10th, 2008 at 9:57 am
PCIe 1.1 x16 = 4GB/s
PCIe 2.0 x16 = 8GB/s
bottleneck issue will depend on games/applications…personally i think it is ok for current games
July 10th, 2008 at 11:28 am
Correct on that one Jeff, PCIe 1.1 and 2.0 was found to have no differences. Tom’s Hardware did a comprehensive test in this regards a while back.
August 5th, 2008 at 10:00 am
You complain about the AMD card reaching 100c like no Nvidia has ever done that before.
8800GTS 640 > ~130c benched in my very own rig.. (using furmark)
Fourth card to go back for RMA at the eleventh month, Nvidia just can’t make cards that won’t burn up.. 66gt, 78gt, 79gt, 88gts.. They all stopped working after about a year.
Some with after market coolers that dropped temps in half, still die like flies.
August 6th, 2008 at 12:47 am
This review is so old
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January 22nd, 2009 at 6:30 pm
I have 2 HD4850 cards in Crossfire but don’t really know how to adjust the settings to best suit what works.
Where can I find instructions on how to familiarize myself with the features and optimize the settings, and when would I use OverClocking?
January 22nd, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Actually, I’m looking for the equivalent of “HD4850 Crossfire for Dummies”
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I have an HIS HD4850 Turbo IceQ and CCC doesn’t let you go bellow 1100 Memory clock. Any way to fix this?
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Oh and I’m running CCC 9.11
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